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CJ/YJ Tub Swap

by Dan Dohrn

 

 

 

 

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About a year after I bought my 1984 CJ-7(purchased used in '93), rust started showing up in random places. Combine the constant salt water from living on the coastline in Juneau, Alaska with the fact that CJ-7's have ungalvanized body tubs and you have the perfect recipe for rust. The hood and driver wreck2.jpg (31228 bytes) side fender had some bad surface rust on the outside where the paint had been baked away by an engine fire that occurred before I owned the Jeep. Thanks to some unlicensed, uninsured idiot in a 70’s FordRust.jpg (18438 bytes) pickup, I got those replaced. Eventually my driver side floorboard became a window with a great view of the ground. After a little while longer, my rear fenders started to develop rust holes from tire spray. Over the years, the holes grew bigger and bigger and my Bondo patches just weren’t holding up. It finally got to the point that I felt the vehicle would be dangerous in the event of a roll over because the rollbar would easily punch right through the rust weakened tub. 

I explored many different options to take care of the rust problem. I considered cutting out the diseased sections and welding in new sheet metal, purchasing a new CJ-7 tub, Rust2.jpg (33086 bytes) finding a used CJ-7 tub in good condition, getting a fiberglass tub, and finally I considered swapping on a YJ tub. I chose not to repair the original tub because I figured it would be a losing battle. I then tried to find a used CJ-7 tub in decent condition, but repeatedly got laughed at, so I bagged that idea. Then I looked at the price of new CJ-7 tubs and quickly abandoned that option. Then there’s fiberglass, but I just didn’t feel comfortable riding around in something that wasn’t good old dentable steel. The only option left, besides buying a new Jeep (no way!) was to swap on a YJ tub. Being a die hard square headlight hating CJ fan (no offense to YJ owners), I had a hard time convincing myself that this would be ok. Finally I realized that no one would be able to tell the difference after I put my CJ dash and tailgate on the YJ tub.

Now that I decided what I was going to do, it was time to do a little research. I was directed to a couple of websites of Jeepers who had already done this swap or were in the middle of it. Jeepskate’s site (http://jeepskate.4x4.org/) was a valuable resource full of information along with Canadian Four Wheel Drive (http://www.can4x4.com/) and Jim O'Brien's page (http://www.tidesys.com/yjtub_main.htm). Reading these web pages and articles convinced me that this would be a project that I could successfully complete.

Next came the process of locating a YJ tub in decent condition. That proved to be very difficult, at least in my location, and almost caused me to abandon the project before it ever started. I checked all of the wrecking yards and body shops around Boise and came up with nothing except a dented tub that had a whole section cut out of it to patch another tub. Then I expended my search area to the whole United States. I located a lot of tubs in the northern California area, but they wanted $1000 or more for the tubs. I finally became really desperate and called Gary’s Auto Wrecking in Maple Grove, British Columbia (that's Canada for those of you that failed geography). I got their name from Canadian Four Wheel Drive’s tub swap article. I called them and was informed that they had a YJ tub in good condition for $700. I thought it sounded better than $1000, but still too much, especially when figuring the cost to drive up and get it. Then I realized "hello, you’re calling CANADA!" After the exchange rate, that would work out to about US$475…now that sounds like a deal. So what if it would be a 1200 mile round trip, I needed a vacation anyway. I called them back and gave them my credit card number and they agreed to hold the tub for me for a month until I could come pick it up.

Now that I had a YJ tub purchased, I considered the project officially started and got to work tearing the CJ apart. Cjtub1.jpg (43146 bytes)That proved to be quite a challenge since I have a limited amount of tools and no air power. I quickly began to hate Torx bolts and actually cut/ground many of them off after breaking a many torx bits. Stripping to Cjtubgut.jpg (44384 bytes) old CJ tub down probably could have been done in a day or so with air tools, but without, I often spent hours on just one rusty bolt trying to convince them to come off. I think the most difficult/time consuming part of the whole stripping process was removing the mess of wires that comes with all the gauges on the dash. I had an Alpine alarm system wired into the CJ and it had wires going all over. I’ll be lucky if I can figure out how to wire it back up. The roll bar made me want to throwJptub1.JPG (48310 bytes) things as it was attached to the tub by about 12 rusty torx head bolts.  On a few of the bolts, I ended up using an angle grinder to grind two sides of the bolt head flat so I could get a wrench or pliers on them. I ground the heads of the remaining bolts and left the rest in the tub since it was being replaced anyway. What a lousy design, when the roll bar goes back in, there will be no torx bolts! Then came the body mount bolts. These too were rusted and stubborn. With a lot of elbow grease, cut up knuckles, a little bit of yelling and some liquid wrench, all of the body mount bolts either broke off or came out. An air compressor and impact wrench would have made this sooooo much easier. Finally the tub was ready to come off.

Somewhere in the middle of all of this stripping the CJ tub, I hooked up my 5x8 ft flat bed trailer to my Grand Cherokee Tub3.jpg (31065 bytes) and headed up to Canada to get my tub. When I got to Gary’s Auto Wrecking, I started to become a little skeptical. All I saw was a little quonset hut looking building. That all changed as soon as I walked inside. I was greeted by two very friendly employees, both of whom I had talked to on the phone whenTrailr1.jpg (36304 bytes) making purchasing arrangements for the tub. They directed me to their yard where my Jeep tub was waiting and suddenly I was in heaven. It was full of wrecked Jeeps, mostly YJ’s but still, Jeeps. There were so many parts. After wiping the drool off my face I located my tub and was very pleased with the condition of it. It still had the roll bar, rear fender flares and other small misc parts attached to it. We loaded the tub onto my trailer and after purchasing a new CJ-7 windshield frame, I was on my way.

Now that the YJ tub was at home, I began to work on it too. I wanted to make sure that it would last a long time, so I used POR-15 on what little surface rust there was (mostly on the firewall where battery acid and brake fluid had eaten some paint). Then after carefully prepping the inside of the tub, I coated it with Herculiner. If you plan to use the CJ gas tank in Gastemp.jpg (32850 bytes) it’s stock location, then you have to cut a hole in the rear passenger side for the gas filler hose. I did this by tracing the original CJ gas filler hole onto a piece of paper, then cut out the inside of it, then drew the outline of it onto the tub with a grease pencil. The picture to the left shows the paper template atached to the tub for marking the gas filler hole to be cut in the stock CJ location. Then I used a medium size drill bit to drill a hole in each corner of the desired area to be cut out. Then I used a jigsaw with a fresh metal cutting blade to connect the drilled holes. The saw cut through the sheet metal like butter and left a smooth stock looking hole for the filler tube. Try test fitting the plastic piece that the filler tube attaches to, and if necessary use a file to enlarge the hole so it will fit.

Back to the CJ-7...The tub was lifted off with four people and it actually was a lot lighter than we all expected. It wasn’t even a problem to lift it high over the stubbornJpFrame2.JPG (54500 bytes) transfer case shifter that I failed to remove. A couple of things to keep in mind before lifting the tub off: Brake lines are attached JpFrame1.JPG (49753 bytes)to the tub in a couple of places. On the firewall on the very bottom below the brake booster, and underneath the tub about in the middle of the "bed" area. Also the wiring for your taillights is attached to the tub by a few plastic clips. These clips cannot be reached without lifting the tub, so it’s handy to have someone around to remove them when you lift the back of the tub. Some transmission or axle breather lines may also be attached to the tub. Remove the tub slowly, and it would be handy to have a spotter to make sure your not removing any extra parts that you forgot to unbolt.

While the tub is off, I decided to take the opportunity to clean things up and paint the frame. This would also be a great Jptub2.JPG (40567 bytes) time to do any suspension or drive train modifications since everything is so exposed and easy to work on with the tub removed. As part of the cleaning and painting process, I decided to remove the gas tank and tank skid plate. I was happy to find that I had a plastic gas tank. JpFrame3.JPG (54411 bytes)At least there won’t be any rust problems there. It was quite a challenge to remove the tank from the skid plate/tank cover since it was tightly packed with dirt that had become cement-like. Once the gas tank has been removed, you can inspect the backside of the rear crossmember.

 

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